Battle for Supercar Supremacy - F1, CCX, Enzo, Zonda F, CGT, Veyron

[danidmas]

Link:
http://www.sci-mag.com/art1/art1p1.html

[bmagni]

niice, why do they keep comparing cars to the F1. IMO it was "taken from it's seat" a while ago, specially the reg F1... the GTR is a different story but still not the King from a while now...

[MartinR]

niice, why do they keep comparing cars to the F1. IMO it was "taken from it's seat" a while ago, specially the reg F1... the GTR is a different story but still not the King from a while now...

I guess it's just because of its iconic status. That said it's not the fastest production car anymore and I'm certain the new supercars would beat it easily on the track.

Thanks for the article dani.

[goodduck]

i bought this issue in the airport yesterday for this cover story. i think the macca is still unrivaled in its focus, purpose, and design but it suffers from some weaknesses like its wayward suspension and wheel set up. if one were to rework the suspension and give it some proper shoes it would still be the king in every department.

[danidmas]

i bought this issue in the airport yesterday for this cover story. i think the macca is still unrivaled in its focus, purpose, and design but it suffers from some weaknesses like its wayward suspension and wheel set up. if one were to rework the suspension and give it some proper shoes it would still be the king in every department.

Isn't the blue McLaren from the guy from PistonHeads updated with brakes, suspension and bigger rims? I remember an Evo article (I think it was the issue #100) where they featured it...

I pretty much agree with you. The McLaren still looks like the purest of the bunch... may be only rivalled by the Carrera GT in that sense. And it's already quite a feat to still be compared with the newer supercars when the Macca is already 15 years old now... even with the issues that it has always had: suspension, breaks, tyres, bodyroll...

Not to mention that it's still the best looking one

[MartinR]

The fact that something looks the purest I don't think is any kind of argument. Putten on a track the newer cars would most definitely be faster!

[danidmas]

The fact that something looks the purest I don't think is any kind of argument. Putten on a track the newer cars would most definitely be faster!

Quite possibly. I don't know. May be it's just the story behind it that makes it so unique and "pure" and different to the others: Gordon Murray and a white sheet of paper, and no limitations at all

The Macca is the supercar that moved up the supercar term to a new whole level, from the big, undriveable Diablo and XJ220 to the level we've had... until the Veyron came with it's astonishing pace

Don't take me too seriously though, I'm biased towards the F1 I confess

[sameerrao]

Don't get me started on the McLaren virtues .... 

[gucom]

Longtime McLaren fanboy reporting to defend his favourite car, Sir!
It was indeed a huge leap forward, although I suppose that the Enzo (use of electronics) and Bugatti (combining that kind of performance with that kind of luxury) are also huge leaps forward... Indeed it's hard to say which is best, they were created with different goals in mind... I couldn't really rank these cars either, although the Pagani and Koenigsegg would finish last...

[sentra_dude]

That was an interesting read for sure, but disappointingly it seemed to somehow not be as good as it could have been considering the extraordinary collection of cars they managed to bring together. The pictures were at least fantastic IMO. In any case, thanks for the article Dani, I always enjoy reading an article about the F1.

I guess it's just because of its iconic status. That said it's not the fastest production car anymore and I'm certain the new supercars would beat it easily on the track.

Thanks for the article dani.

Dani, this is the article you speak of:
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/204728/mclaren_f1.html

I'll quote the kicker of the article:

The sixth is the lap time – a highly creditable 1.21.20 – which eclipses the Enzo, a cutting-edge supercar benefiting from 15 years of engine, chassis and brake development. True, Flemke’s car has had some subtle development of its own, most obviously the bigger wheels and modern rubber (the same type and size as the Enzo), but it’s by no means a complete reworking of the original. To my great relief, the F1’s honour is upheld.

[yg60m]

Thank you sentra, I also thought of this times session which includs a CGT, an Enzo and an F1. The times were quite surprising ... The F1 is not dead !!  There are videos of this on EVO's site .

[danidmas]

Dani, this is the article you speak of:
http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/cargrouptests/204728/mclaren_f1.html

I'll quote the kicker of the article:

The sixth is the lap time – a highly creditable 1.21.20 – which eclipses the Enzo, a cutting-edge supercar benefiting from 15 years of engine, chassis and brake development. True, Flemke’s car has had some subtle development of its own, most obviously the bigger wheels and modern rubber (the same type and size as the Enzo), but it’s by no means a complete reworking of the original. To my great relief, the F1’s honour is upheld.

Nice job, that was the article I was talking about... and it puts into perspective the result of this comparisson, because with updated brakes, wheels and rubber, it's proven it's still the fastest

That is... until it's compared with the Vector W8

[sentra_dude]

Nice job, that was the article I was talking about... and it puts into perspective the result of this comparisson, because with updated brakes, wheels and rubber, it's proven it's still the fastest

That is... until it's compared with the Vector W8

LOL! Because, back in the mid 1980s, on mid 1980s rubber, the W8 could pull 1.3 g on the skidpad, out-handle a racecar, top out at 250mph, and out-accelerate a dragster.

But seriously, the McLaren's fine racing pedigree, despite it's focus as a roadcar, is clearly apparent from it's track performance. Also Dani, flemke's F1 does not yet have updated brakes, but they are currently being worked on (there are some problems with fitting carbon-ceramic brakes without power assistance, and he is trying to avoid adding a power boost because he feels it would voilate the original ideas behind the car). The main problem with the original car was the suspension set-up was tuned more towards grand-touring than "racer for the street", but the rest of the car really begs for it to be in the "ultra-sportscar" category so the suspension set-up is a bit of a poor fit for the car.