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Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« on: 04-Jan-2008, 06:53:48 »
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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #1 on: 04-Jan-2008, 10:04:33 »
Yeah, I saw that too ..  :no: I am not sure that the Indian culture will be in phase with Jaguar and LR.
Wait and see.

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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #2 on: 04-Jan-2008, 10:06:42 »
No fucking way.

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Have you seen those Tata indian cars? they look like crap and the build-quality is far from acceptable. Can't believe they're gonna buy Land Rover and Jag :?

Anyway, a malaysian company (Proton) bought Lotus years ago and it hasn't been that bad for Lotus actually... :wink: one thing is clear - if they plan to move the production to India, they're fucked.

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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #3 on: 04-Jan-2008, 11:35:25 »
No fucking way.

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Have you seen those Tata indian cars? they look like crap and the build-quality is far from acceptable. Can't believe they're gonna buy Land Rover and Jag :?

Anyway, a malaysian company (Proton) bought Lotus years ago and it hasn't been that bad for Lotus actually... :wink: one thing is clear - if they plan to move the production to India, they're fucked.

It's the huge markets in India that are dipping the scale to there I suppose. I haven't seen any Tata cars. Our production in India has been more succesfull than in Malaysia, but we are not building cars. :)
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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #4 on: 04-Jan-2008, 12:52:23 »
Come on, it's not like they're gonna turn these into Indian cars. Just like Proton didn't turn Lotus into a Malaysian plastic soap box. They're just gonna be the new owners.

I've no idea about this company though. Hope they have enough money to keep developing new cars for Jaguar and Land Rover.
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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #5 on: 04-Jan-2008, 16:03:57 »
I have both seen and driven in tatas and the new ones are pretty much like any kia or simular, they are not luxury car or well buildt cars by any means, but dont compare them with the older tatas...

Im not sure its good for the image of Jag and Land Rover to be owned by Tata tough... :?
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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #6 on: 04-Jan-2008, 16:06:19 »
Im not sure its good for the image of Jag and Land Rover to be owned by Tata tough... :?

Like said, Lotus is owned by Proton these days. Doesn't seem to have done anything to their image. Also, like being owned by Ford was anything to brag about. Unless they seriously fuck the company up, I don't see how it could have much of an effect.
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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #7 on: 04-Jan-2008, 16:11:41 »
Like said, Lotus is owned by Proton these days. Doesn't seem to have done anything to their image. Also, like being owned by Ford was anything to brag about. Unless they seriously fuck the company up, I don't see how it could have much of an effect.

You might be right, but another thing you need to think about when it comes to Tata they do have alot of cars looking like mercs and if they do the same with Jag and Land Rover im not sure the market in the countries Tata are being sold will think of Jag and Land Rover as such a high class brand.....Im just saying... ;)
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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #8 on: 04-Jan-2008, 16:22:05 »
^I'd imagine they have enough brains not to copy cars of companies they own.

That said, I've seen a few Hyundais that resemble Mercs that are sold here and it doesn't make Mercedes a less "high" brand at all. If anything it's the contrary, must be good if people are copying it.

In the end they are in totally different classes. You've got a lot of BMW and Mercedes copies in China, but I doubt that makes the premium brands seem less premium.
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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #9 on: 04-Jan-2008, 16:56:44 »
Indeed, you have a point  ;) I suppose that they will know how to make Jaguar and LR even better.
It's also true that Ford made a lot for Jaguar but that they were quite shy about design ...

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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #10 on: 05-Jan-2008, 21:19:20 »
^I'd imagine they have enough brains not to copy cars of companies they own.

That said, I've seen a few Hyundais that resemble Mercs that are sold here and it doesn't make Mercedes a less "high" brand at all. If anything it's the contrary, must be good if people are copying it.

In the end they are in totally different classes. You've got a lot of BMW and Mercedes copies in China, but I doubt that makes the premium brands seem less premium.
In China the majority doesn't know they are copies. Luckily for rest of the world the copies stay in their own market.

I don't think that is going to be the problem with Tata. More likely the quality is questionable if something.
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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #11 on: 05-Jan-2008, 21:47:40 »
So please, if any of the admins can open a subforum with a Malasyian and an Indian flag...  :mrgreen:

Let's wait for the results of this. Maybe the R&D funds will be cut and you'll see technology of 2000 in a 2010 car, maybe not

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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #12 on: 05-Jan-2008, 22:36:45 »
I don't think that is going to be the problem with Tata. More likely the quality is questionable if something.

Well production is most likely still gonna continue in the same places, so I doubt that quality will chance due to this.

Let's wait for the results of this. Maybe the R&D funds will be cut and you'll see technology of 2000 in a 2010 car, maybe not


Isn't that happening already? I wouldn't say new Jags are exactly full of new and amazing technology. And when it the last time they released a new engine?
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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #13 on: 05-Jan-2008, 22:39:43 »
Well production is most likely still gonna continue in the same places, so I doubt that quality will chance due to this.

Isn't that happening already? I wouldn't say new Jags are exactly full of new and amazing technology. And when it the last time they released a new engine?

I would give it 90% probability that production will see major changes  in few years. Towards the Asia.
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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #14 on: 20-Jan-2008, 18:20:58 »
TATA is a much bigger and better company than what they appear to be in the press.  They don't just produce $2500 cars.

did you guys know that TATA are the ones in charge of the computer systems on Ferrari F1 cars? yep.

they'll do a good job with these two loser brands.....and let's face it, both of these companies needed a swift kick in the ass....now they'll get it.

revenge for british colonialism y'know ;)

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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #15 on: 20-Jan-2008, 23:02:37 »
TATA is a much bigger and better company than what they appear to be in the press.  They don't just produce $2500 cars.

did you guys know that TATA are the ones in charge of the computer systems on Ferrari F1 cars? yep.

they'll do a good job with these two loser brands.....and let's face it, both of these companies needed a swift kick in the ass....now they'll get it.

revenge for british colonialism y'know ;)

You know, first thing you think when you hear Tata are those crappy dirty cheap cars :wink:

Just read an article on Evo about this, including a sort of interview with Ratan Tata, and indeed they all look quite serious and confident about this project... and after reading that, I have the feeling that they'll do just better than Ford :wink:

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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #16 on: 25-Mar-2008, 22:36:00 »
It's official (apparently):

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/03/25/breaking-ford-sells-jaguar-land-rover-for-2-billion-to-tata/



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According to Automotive News, the deal is done. Today Ford signed a deal with India-based Tata Motors to sell its Jaguar and Land Rover brands for over $2 billion. Ford will supposedly announce the deal officially tomorrow (Wednesday), but sources close to the transaction say the receipt's already been printed, so to speak. While details are scarce, AN does mention that Ford will pump around $598 million into the pension funds for each brand as it sends them on their way. We're waiting to hear more details about how Ford will continue to supply engines and components for these vehicles, for how long and how much. Right now, however, mum's the word, as the Blue Oval has only said that, "our first responsibility is to communicate with our employees." Sorry if they heard it here first, but then again, they should be working now, not reading Autoblog. Right? Right.

UPDATE: Just-auto puts the price tag at $2.65 billion, and reveals we should have official news from Ford before the NYSE opens tomorrow morning.

[Source: Automotive News via Autoblog]

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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #17 on: 26-Mar-2008, 18:17:58 »
I guess we'll have a Tata XKR in a few years  :mrgreen:

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Re: Land Rover and Jaguar going to India
« Reply #18 on: 26-Mar-2008, 18:28:52 »
That's the revenge for so many years of british domination in India :wink:

 

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