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"Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« on: 14-Jan-2008, 17:04:48 »
Faster, More Powrful Bugatti In The Works?

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A development project under the guise of "Project Lydia" might sound all very inconspicuous, but with Bugatti at the helm, this ain't no picnic. According to German magazine Auto Motor und Sport, Bugatti have finalised plans to develop a new supercar set to rival if only its own model for sheer speed, but they as yet remain just that; plans.

Insider information pins the street-legal "Project Lydia" down to 1.5-tonnes and a monocoque body design, having power in the region of 1,175 PS and a top speed of up to 400 km/h (248 mph). While Bugatti are said to be juggling the attributes of racing excellence and polished design, the German publication expects Bugatti's characteristic grille to stay, much like the Veyron's sweeping side profile and prominent 20-inch wheels. From the world of motorsport, a giant rear spoiler, front air splitter and low ground clearance for both chassis and mid-positioned engine will all feature.

In pursuit of the greatest possible performance, VW are aspiring for a Nurburgring Nordschliefe lap time of six minutes fourty seconds - beating the Veyron by a full minute. With exclusivity as important a feature as its supercar performance, "Project Lydia", named so after Ettore Bugatti's wife Lydia, is expected to be limited to just 70 examples. And it'll come at a price, retailing for a cool 2.5 million euros.

Originally penciled in for a 2009 introduction with support from Supervisory Board Chairman Ferdinand Piech, that date looks likely to shift to atleast 2010 if given the green-light amid scepticism from CEO Martin Winterkorn in the present 'green' political environment.


Source: WorldCarFans via AMS

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080111.013/faster,-more-powerful-bugatti-in-the-works
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/fotos/foto-shows/studien/mpsfshw_show_503478_13999.hbs?backtrack=%2Fnews%2Fauto_-_produkte%2Ferlkoenige%2Fhxcms_article_509453_13987.hbs&



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Re: "Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« Reply #1 on: 14-Jan-2008, 19:25:18 »
those renderings are stunning. a Le Mans prototype for the road. this is what the veyron should have been all along. 6:40 at the ring would be quite ridiculous for a production car.

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Re: "Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« Reply #2 on: 14-Jan-2008, 19:31:32 »
Hotness, make it black and you've got yourself a batmobile

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Re: "Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« Reply #3 on: 14-Jan-2008, 22:13:44 »
So when are they gonna build something that'll actually make them money?  :? Not that I don't like the idea, but I guess one of those big saloons they were planning would probably bring in more revenue, which could be used for future products like this.
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Re: "Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« Reply #4 on: 14-Jan-2008, 23:07:42 »
Um, and LMP for the road and people saying it looks cool?? WTF? That thing is ugly...

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Re: "Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« Reply #5 on: 14-Jan-2008, 23:15:35 »
Looks a bit like a veyron after liposuction. Is it going to be a fully stripped out racer or have a few luxuries?

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Re: "Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« Reply #6 on: 15-Jan-2008, 06:49:15 »
So Veyron has set a Ring time 7:40? I didn't know that. Not really as fast you would expect.

I like the sidelines of the car, looks very sleek. :good: :drool: Does it suite Bugatti lineup to have a full blooded racer without luxuries?
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« Reply #7 on: 15-Jan-2008, 08:44:10 »
ringtime is new for me too, this road car looks great  :mrgreen:
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Re: "Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« Reply #8 on: 15-Jan-2008, 09:14:16 »
Imo it's a little bit too much, who needs 1175hp ?

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« Reply #9 on: 15-Jan-2008, 09:15:47 »
ringtime is new for me too, this road car looks great  :mrgreen:

Some source says that Veyron did the Ring time already in 12/2005 with Wheels magazine from Australia. Hard to find any more info about that. :?
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Re: "Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« Reply #10 on: 15-Jan-2008, 22:14:32 »
Some source says that Veyron did the Ring time already in 12/2005 with Wheels magazine from Australia. Hard to find any more info about that. :?

Well, unless it's done by Bugatti directly or by Auto Motor Und Sport, the laptime is not really "official" in my book :wink: but 7:40 sounds a bit slow for me anyway... I know this car weights probably tooo much, but with the AWD, all the electronic gizmos... and let's not forget... 1000 bloody hp, it should've been faster IMO... :?

Does it suite Bugatti lineup to have a full blooded racer without luxuries?

Well, Bugatti was not only about luxury back in the 30s... they had some of the more successful racecars of all time, like the Type-35... which was a full-spec racecar as far as I know... very different to, let's say, the Bugatti Royale Napoleon :wink:

So yes, I think both cars make sense according to Bugatti history...


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« Reply #11 on: 15-Jan-2008, 22:29:34 »
oh man.

i'm afraid this is another 'dream' idea by the media/magazines.

y'know i had a conversation with a guy last year who is involved in the Audi relationship to Bugatti, and i suggested to him that Bugatti should become Audi's branch in motorsports...get involved in LeMans (use Bugatti in the name of the Audi R8 and R10 race cars) etc..etc....and he said that Bugatti is pretty much a lost cause...

There isn't much going on in Bugatti right now, and i think eventually the idea of becoming a company who manufactures 'custom coaches' is basically where Bugatti is heading.

Y'know that Ferrari P4/P5? imagine some cars like that coming from Bugatti in the future.  There may be another car launched by Bugatti in the future...but it's not gonna be this "Lydia" thing...it will probably be a 4-door super sedan, maybe even with the same engine as the Veyron, but costing much less than that. around $600,000 or so.

I can't say for sure if a car like THIS ONE exists in idea or not, because it's possible this is new (it's been a good 3 months since i got new information about Bugatti)....however i'm 95% sure this is not what Bugatti is looking to develop.

They need to sell more cars at a cheaper price to make any sort of profit.  Selling 70 of these for 2.5 million is a waste of time right now....
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Re: "Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« Reply #12 on: 15-Jan-2008, 22:38:20 »
oh man.

i'm afraid this is another 'dream' idea by the media/magazines.

y'know i had a conversation with a guy last year who is involved in the Audi relationship to Bugatti, and i suggested to him that Bugatti should become Audi's branch in motorsports...get involved in LeMans (use Bugatti in the name of the Audi R8 and R10 race cars) etc..etc....and he said that Bugatti is pretty much a lost cause...

There isn't much going on in Bugatti right now, and i think eventually the idea of becoming a company who manufactures 'custom coaches' is basically where Bugatti is heading.

Y'know that Ferrari P4/P5? imagine some cars like that coming from Bugatti in the future.  There may be another car launched by Bugatti in the future...but it's not gonna be this "Lydia" thing...it will probably be a 4-door super sedan, maybe even with the same engine as the Veyron, but costing much less than that. around $600,000 or so.

I can't say for sure if a car like THIS ONE exists in idea or not, because it's possible this is new (it's been a good 3 months since i got new information about Bugatti)....however i'm 95% sure this is not what Bugatti is looking to develop.

They need to sell more cars at a cheaper price to make any sort of profit.  Selling 70 of these for 2.5 million is a waste of time right now....

As always, your "insider" info is always welcome everso... and this time it makes much more sense than all this Lydia project actually :good: ;)

That coachbuilding new direction would be limited only to VAG cars (VW, Audi, Lambo, Bentley... Seat?! LOL)? just wondering....

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Re: "Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« Reply #13 on: 15-Jan-2008, 22:45:29 »
As always, your "insider" info is always welcome everso... and this time it makes much more sense than all this Lydia project actually :good: ;)

That coachbuilding new direction would be limited only to VAG cars (VW, Audi, Lambo, Bentley... Seat?! LOL)? just wondering....

i think the 'coachbuilding' idea has evolved from using VAG platforms, engines, and parts to create special cars at a high cost.  Using VAG materials will help them save money on the research and development aspect, meanwhile stay involved with the parent company.

An example i was told about, a customer has an idea for a custom supercar.  He can pick what car he wants to base it on (Gallardo, R8, Murci, etc..) and then come up with a design he wants.  Obviously Bugatti would be involved in this customization process; however the endproduct would be a car tailored to the needs of the customer.  Most of these people have big fat wallets to go with their big fat demands; so the idea is...if someone has $500,000 they wanna spend on a car.....wouldn't they rather have a custom built Bugatti rather than buy a Koeniggsegg, or a Ferrari, or Pagani? PROBABLY. 

So that's the idea...whether or not it happens will be dictated by how much demand there is for something like this.  That being said, the name "Bugatti" is still quite a famous and heavily prestigious mark.  It easily goes down as one of the greatest names in auto history....so i think they have a good chance of succeeding...what do you guys think?

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Re: "Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« Reply #14 on: 15-Jan-2008, 22:50:17 »
Exagerated just like Veyron... No one need 1.5 tons and 1175 Hp. They could work on something lighter, smaller, with less horsepower, more agile and ninble. That would be awesome. For the design they could use those concept photos of a convertible baby Bugatti that were published some time ago. :good:

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Re: "Project Lydia", a 1500kg, 1175hp super-Bugatti!!
« Reply #15 on: 15-Jan-2008, 22:51:34 »
i think the 'coachbuilding' idea has evolved from using VAG platforms, engines, and parts to create special cars at a high cost.  Using VAG materials will help them save money on the research and development aspect, meanwhile stay involved with the parent company.

An example i was told about, a customer has an idea for a custom supercar.  He can pick what car he wants to base it on (Gallardo, R8, Murci, etc..) and then come up with a design he wants.  Obviously Bugatti would be involved in this customization process; however the endproduct would be a car tailored to the needs of the customer.  Most of these people have big fat wallets to go with their big fat demands; so the idea is...if someone has $500,000 they wanna spend on a car.....wouldn't they rather have a custom built Bugatti rather than buy a Koeniggsegg, or a Ferrari, or Pagani? PROBABLY. 

So that's the idea...whether or not it happens will be dictated by how much demand there is for something like this.  That being said, the name "Bugatti" is still quite a famous and heavily prestigious mark.  It easily goes down as one of the greatest names in auto history....so i think they have a good chance of succeeding...what do you guys think?

I agree, it definitely could work. Bugatti has lots of prestige now with the Veyron, and I'm sure they'd know how to take advantage of this in the future, coachbuilding supercars.

And look at the last few years with cars like the Pininfarina P4/5 based on the Enzo, the Ferrari 612 Kappa, 575 GTZ and the latest Vanderbrink 599 GTO projects that so positive reponse has had :wink: there's a market for these cars that's fur sure!

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« Reply #16 on: 26-Jan-2008, 17:47:51 »
Hmm i thought they were going for a smaller and cheaper car first, but this would be really stunning  :drool:

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« Reply #17 on: 26-Jan-2008, 23:22:30 »
Hmm i thought they were going for a smaller and cheaper car first, but this would be really stunning  :drool:

If they want to stay a viable company, they probably should build a cheaper car. It doesn't need to be smaller though.

Anyone know how much the development costs were for the Veyron? IIRC, at some point I read that they lost a few million on each car. Not exactly a sound business plan.

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« Reply #18 on: 31-Jan-2008, 01:49:19 »
If they want to stay a viable company, they probably should build a cheaper car. It doesn't need to be smaller though.

Anyone know how much the development costs were for the Veyron? IIRC, at some point I read that they lost a few million on each car. Not exactly a sound business plan.

i used to think they should build a cheaper car as well....but they're not going to.  In fact, there will NEVER be a 'cheap' Bugatti according to them.....which leaves only my fantasies...lol.

as for that whole losing-money-on-every-veyron thing that's so stated around the media, what i've heard is that they didn't actually lose money on each car.  That figure that everyone speaks about includes the ENTIRE budget for reviving Bugatti, not just the research and development for the Veyron.  After all, the whole company was revived to produce the Veyron; so in that sense they lose money....but not just on each car. 

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« Reply #19 on: 03-Feb-2008, 23:38:23 »
Bugatti: "the next one will be even more expensive"

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Rumors of Bugatti's demise have been greatly exaggerated, while rumors of a second Bugatti model have been confirmed. In a recent interview with an Arabian Gulf journal, Bugatti spokesman Julius Kruta revealed: "Even though it is not economically viable for us, we will do it again. We have bigger plans for the future and the next one from our stables will be even more expensive than the Veyron."

The use of the word "next" by industrial giant VW suggests that Bugatti is not preparing only one more model, but several. Previous reports suggested that Bugatti was working on Project Lydia, a track-oriented hyper-ultra-super-duper-car to eclipse even the Veyron's performance figures, although there are rumors that future models from the pinnacle automaker could include an über-luxury super-sedan, a smaller high-performance sports/luxury sedan and a $200k supercar. Although the first of those three would likely be positioned above Bentley's flagship Arnage, the second and third would provide direct competition for other products from the VW Group, like the Lamborghini Gallardo on the one hand and the Audi RS6 on the other...not that poaching each other's products has ever stopped Volks before. With the prospect of an expanding Bugatti looming on the horizon, we doubt anyone will take notice.

[Source: Emirates Business 24|7]


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